What The Bible Really Says About What Pope Francis Sort of Said About Atheists

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'Pope Francis' – His Own Words
Damage Control
Saint Mark Reports – 'Pope Francis' Interprets
Modern Day Atheism

 

Rabbits. Balloons. Limits on freedom of speech. Punching someone who insults our mother. Meeting with a transgender person.
It can be challenging to keep up with 'Pope Francis' and tempting to get swept up in the latest 'scandal', but at times it is wise to look back and reflect on the quickly developing bigger picture of the Francis 'Papacy'. The theme.

On May 23 2013, only about two months into the New World Pope's reign, the world awoke to the headline:

"Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics"

Remember?

 


'POPE FRANCIS' – HIS OWN WORDS

Pope, Francis, doctrine, False Prophet, Catholic, Church, Heresy, Maria Divine Mercy, The Wild VoiceThe remarks of 'Pope Francis' which gave birth to the headline were said in a homily on May 22, 2013. Here are his words:

'Pope Francis': "We are all children of God — all of us. And God loves us — all of us. They complain, 'if he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.' And Jesus corrects them: 'Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.' The disciples were a little intolerant, closed off by the idea of possessing the truth, convinced that 'those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.' This was wrong…Jesus broadens the horizon. The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation. The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can…The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there. And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good."

Jorge Mario Bergoglio screams to a disbelieving generation that "We are all children of God — all of us", when Scriptures say otherwise. Let us read the following passage:
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." ~ John 1:12-13

Our dear friends, being a child of God is a right given unto a person under the condition that he or she receives Jesus Christ and believes in His Holy Name. If we read the following passage from Galatians, once again we are told what we need in order to become children of God:
"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." ~ Galatians 3:26

We are not born children of God, but we are born as creatures of God. It is through faith in Jesus Christ alone that we can be transformed into the children of God the Father Almighty. For a "pope" to only say that "…even atheists are redeemed…do good: we will meet one another there" without completing the statement by adding "…if they convert to our Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved", is the same of saying "…if a gay person seeks the Lord, who am I to judge?" without adding "But that gay person needs to no longer commit that sin, which comes from an intrinsically evil nature".
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These are commonly called lies, for they use half truth and omit the other half by using a false mercy which serves two purposes: firstly it directs the listener into the error of constructing an only-forgiving God whose role of Just Judge has been buried by the (true) fact that He Is love. The second reason is the elevation of the false vicar to a living saint whose goodness is so emphasized as to eclipse the importance of Jesus Christ as Savior. Through this diabolically well-dosed and well-plotted manipulation of Christian elements, this chemist of the spirit becomes the very owner of the Catholic Church as well as the very center of Catholic Christianity as a glorified and an untouchable divine being of absolute infallibility.
Bergoglio dares to take away the firmness of the law he openly admits to detest, depriving the faithful of the obedience to the Word, a key tool of fundamental importance in the process of salvation. Without declaring Christ to be both
Mercy and Just Judge, Bergoglio speaks the empty truth typical of the heretical rebels who always detested the perfection of the Catholic doctrine inherited directly from the sacred lips of the Verb Made Flesh.
In line with scriptural prophecy and as an unavoidable consequence of such sophisticated example of false theology engineering, the Jesuit member of the Rotary Club is senselessly credited with being the perfect standard, if not the very inventor, of compassion and equality, flooding his murky waters beyond the castrating limits of "a religion" and invading the lands of politics, of the environment, of other religions, of philosophy, of philanthropy, of human rights, of celebrity. The title of "Savior of the world" displayed on the cover of The Trumpet is one of the most fruitful outcomes of his genial strategy. The False Prophet's "Gospel Of False Illusions" presents words that, being dead to the Spirit of God, lead His Majesty's children astray and into a spiral of endless confusion.



DAMAGE CONTROL

Pope Francis, False Prophet, The Wild Voice, Revolution, Reforms, Catholic, Church, Evil, End TimesAlmost instantly Francis spokespersons and internet spin surgeons went into overdrive to explain the 'Pope's' remarks running headlines such as:

Did Pope Francis Say That Atheists Can Get to Heaven by Good Works?

What Pope Francis Really Said About Atheists

Did Pope Francis Preach Salvation by Works??

Dreadful Misleading Headline of Catholic Online Pins Heresy on Pope

Fr. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesperson, issued a clarification stating the homily's content was not meant to suggest a belief in God was immaterial to salvation. He wrote: "Thanks to Christ and to his Church, those who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ and his Church but sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, try to do his will as it is known through the dictates of conscience can attain eternal salvation."

In short, the homogenized explanations across most of these articles were variations on the theme that "Pope Francis had not said anything new" or that "nothing he said was outside of Catholic Doctrine" and that "once again, the media misinterpreted his words". It does not take a brain surgeon, but it surely takes an honest person, to realize that these are nothing but blatant justifications divulged by a deceiving "KatholiK" media of Zionist-Jesuit-masonic origin developed over the years. These disingenuous corporations have been able to conquer large crowds of faithful and by earning their trust, they are now delivering the true purpose of their existence as a KatholiK Gestapo of Bergoglio (KGB) Media at the service of the dictator and his Bergoglianist despotic regime. The main motto is "accept Francis' perfect (heretical) words or we slander you as a schismatic and a heretic yourself!" In the meantime, the many 'apologists' keep on apologizing for the intentionally grave doctrinal errors of this "vicar", coming up with the longest explanations: sometimes, for Bergoglio's statement containing ten words would take his defenders an entire page or two filled with thousands of words which never could be credited to the emissary himself. It goes without saying that so much need of corrections, retrievals, elaborating, censorship, and even denial can only be a sure sign of the erroneous teachings of the white leader. And just as shocking as the original statements is to witness the enormous number of theologians constantly and bellicosely defend all the distortions we have been exposed to for almost two years.


SAINT MARK REPORTS – 'POPE FRANCIS' INTERPRETS

The point of this article is not to debate on whether or not atheists are 'redeemed', 'saved', or 'go to heaven', but rather to look again at 'Pope Francis"s words and what led him to say them.

The reading which 'Pope Francis' used to say 'Even the atheists!' comes from the Gospel of Saint Mark. It reads:

MARK 9 38-40
John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us." But Jesus said, "Do not stop him; for no one who does a deed of power in My name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. Whoever is not against us is for us."

Here again are the words of 'Pope Francis':
"…'if he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.' And Jesus corrects them: 'Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.' The disciples were a little intolerant…convinced that 'those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.' This was wrong…The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation…we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can…The Lord has redeemed all of us…not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there…"

Francis focuses a lot on 'doing good'. He tells us that all can 'do good'. He lets us know that 'even the atheists' can 'do good'. He stresses 'the atheists', but is this the true focus of these Verses of Holy Scripture?

'Pope Francis' said:
'Jesus corrects them: 'Do not hinder him, he says let him do good.'

The Gospel of Saint Mark says:
'Jesus said, “Do not stop him; for no one who does a deed of power in My Name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.'

The very, very important phrase that 'Pope Francis' omitted in retelling this Bible story is:
'in My Name'.

Do atheists 'do good' in the name of Jesus Christ?
No. An atheist is someone who does not believe in or submit to any deity and does not 'do good' in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 



MODERN DAY
ATHEISM

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Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen:
"The modern atheist does not disbelieve because of his intellect, but because of his will; it is not knowledge that makes him an atheist…The denial of God springs from a man’s desire not to have a God—from his wish that there were no Justice behind the universe, so that his injustices would fear not retribution; from his desire that there be no Law, so that he may not be judged by it; from his wish that there were no Absolute Goodness, that he might go on sinning with impunity. That is why the modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion—he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth. His feeling toward God is the same as that which a wicked man has for one whom he has wronged: he wishes he were dead so that he could do nothing to avenge the wrong. The betrayer of friendship knows his friend exists, but he wished he did not; the post-Christian atheist knows God exists, but he desires He should not."

 

 

An atheist is not an agnostic. An agnostic is someone who is not sure if there is a God. An atheist is someone who believes there is no God.

Jesus also says in these Verses from the Gospel of Saint Mark which 'Pope Francis' read:
'Whoever is not against us is for us.'

Was He speaking about 'the atheists' here? Was Jesus speaking of those who refuse the idea of a God? No. He was speaking of those who were not with the disciples but who were casting out demons in the Name of Jesus Christ. 'Pope Francis' chose to focus on the ability of atheists to 'do good' instead of focusing on what Jesus Christ was really teaching which is when we do good in His Name, as Christians, we will not be able to speak evil of Him. 'Pope Francis' removed the strong stress on Jesus Christ entirely and shifted it into the humanistic, easily popular, and people-pleasing idea of 'we can all do good – even atheists'. Some could argue that 'Pope Francis' here effectively changed the entire meaning of this passage by omitting Jesus completely and uplifting the goodness of non-believers.

Generally speaking, modern atheists believe that human beings are basically good and as long as they live a 'good' life they have nothing to fear about eternity and they certainly have no need of Jesus Christ.
In a matter of minutes 'the Pope' made it very easy for these atheists to just go on thinking they're probably right.

 

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35 comments for “What The Bible Really Says About What Pope Francis Sort of Said About Atheists

  1. Beverlette
    February 18, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    if doing good can be our gate pass to heaven, then the death and resurrection of Jesus were not needed to become God's children? This is not what the bible says about salvation. By grace we are saved and not of good works. Good works follow because the children of God have already the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, gentleness.

  2. Luz
    February 14, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    A POPE the head of the Catholic Church the vicar of Christ here on earth ! How could he says something like that? How did he became a pope it seems that he knows nothing about our Catholic doctrines ! Brace yourself people of God pray hard and take refuge to the Immaculate Heart of Mary because the destruction of our faith is ongoing!

  3. mharxian
    February 12, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    The bible said " All of us have become one who is unclean,and all our righteous acts are like filthy rag; We all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind, our iniquities sweep us away." ISAIAH 64:6

    Doing good only cannot save us. Yes! It is true that God loves us all but God will also reward us of what we have done in our whole lifetime either in punishment or to be with Him in eternity. GOD, clearly stated in John 3:16 that He loved the world so much such that he gave His only begotten Son so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Faith to Jesus can save us all but faith without action is also dead. Atheist must accept Jesus to be their Saviour if they want to be saved so us everyone in this world

  4. February 12, 2015 at 6:05 AM

    Christian who do bad things.
    Atheist who do good things.
    They're both hypocrites.
    Ask your self: which of these two kinds of hypocrites do you prefer to be.

    • The WILDVOICE
      February 22, 2015 at 5:32 AM

      Dear Kenan,

      Are you asking that question to us?
      Often, human beings can project their own fears and doubts unto others. No one should let the scandals of the False Prophet shake his/her own faith, but he/she should rather remain firm in Christ's True Teachings while obeying the Holy Catholic Church.
      That same Mystical Body is Christ Himself and not Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

      God Bless +++

  5. Samuel
    February 6, 2015 at 6:27 AM

    Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
    -Galatians 1:10

    The pope should defend the integrity of the scriptures! It doesn't matter if people will hate him.. As Jesus Christ said in John 15:18-19
    If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19"If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

    • Al
      February 7, 2015 at 5:25 AM

      You're surely right. He must based his teachings on the Bible not on his feelings and emotions. He's not a real servant of GOD if he's really doing such ungodly. We see here that he's for the people's and of GOD's approval.

      • UNKNOWN
        February 8, 2015 at 7:10 PM

        ARE YOU SO GODLY THAT YOU JUDGE PEOPLE??? SHOULD PEOPLE JUDGE YOU BECAUSE YOU YOUR SELF MADE ONE MISTAKE AND DID NOT ALWAYS FOLLOW WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS?????

    • The WILDVOICE
      February 7, 2015 at 3:57 PM

      AMEN, brother. AMEN TO YOU +++
      GOD BLESS YOU, SAMUEL. YOU SEE IT FOR WHAT IT TRULY IS +++

  6. Mark
    February 6, 2015 at 5:45 AM

    Well in his statement, he is tolerating ATHEIST in not believing GOD. And that is not a Pope's DUTY. As a servant of God, you should not be contented to see some people who doesn't believe in GOD.

    • UNKNOWN
      February 8, 2015 at 7:23 PM

      WAS GOOD NOT CONTENTED WHEN THE PEOPLE CONDEMNED HIM???? ALL HE DID WAS LOVE THEN IN RETURN. THE POPE DID THE SAME HE DID NOT JUDGE BECAUSE WHETHER YOUR A CHRISTIAN OR WHAT EVER RELIGION YOU HAVE, WE CAN NEVER SAY WHOSE GOOD OR EVIL. PEOPLE MAKES MISTAKES AND PEOPLE ALWAYS DO. SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST RESPECT HIM IN RETURN..

    • jp
      February 9, 2015 at 12:21 PM

      God is love – Love is Jesus – Jesus is God

  7. kyrie
    February 5, 2015 at 5:53 AM

    The Pope is not God, Jesus Is my Savior.

  8. Janice
    February 2, 2015 at 7:44 AM

    James 2:24-26
    "Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead."

    In Karl Keating's book Catholicism and Fundamentalism, he states that we are all "REDEEMED" but we are not all "SAVED." That is an important distinction. Our redemption is collective in that we are all God's children whom He created and wishes for us to have salvation and be with him in Heaven for all of Eternity. Salvation is God's Will for all of humanity, however, we as human beings with free will have the ability to REJECT God's offer of Salvation on an individual basis. Thus REDEMPTION is collective and applies to all of humanity because Christ redeemed us ALL from the slavery to sin and from the punishment due to mankind as a result of sin. So the Pope is correct to say that ALL men are REDEEMED – even the atheists and horrible sinners – even Muslims and Jews and Hindus – all are redeemed but not necessarily all are SAVED! Salvation is the praxis of redemption upon individuals. A person can opt to reject the graces won for him by Christ Crucified and Risen even though he has been Redeemed. By that same token, a terrible sinner or an atheist CAN ACCEPT God's offer of Salvation by coming to Faith in Jesus Christ and that Faith being manifested in his good works in reflection of the example of Jesus whom he is now following through that Faith. We show that we have Christian Faith in Jesus through our good actions towards others – as Pope Francis says – by 'Doing Good'. It is through those works that we exemplify our love in imitation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    It is not right to criticize Pope Francis for his words on this subject because in fact what he stated was in complete agreement with Scriptural Truth. Redemption is collective and we are all redeemed but Salvation is an individual choice to accept or reject. We must have Faith, which is demonstrated through our 'doing good' by Jesus' example, if we intend to make it to Heaven.

    So we must not hinder those who seek to 'do good', as Pope Francis points out. We should encourage all our brothers and sisters, even atheists and sinners to Come to a Belief in Jesus Christ, so that indeed they will say YES to their Eternal Salvation.

    • Tom
      February 2, 2015 at 11:20 PM

      Thank you for the comment Janice. First off, we certainly agree when you say:
      "We should encourage all our brothers and sisters, even atheists and sinners to Come to a Belief in Jesus Christ, so that indeed they will say YES to their Eternal Salvation."
      Yes! AMEN to that.

      However, I'm afraid you might not have actually read the article you've commented on. Here above you pasted a section inspired by Karl Keating's writings on the difference between words such as 'redeemed' and 'saved'.

      The reason I don't think you read the article is because it explicitly says (under the section SAINT MARK REPORTS – 'POPE FRANCIS' INTERPRETS):
      "The point of this article is not to debate on whether or not atheists are 'redeemed', 'saved', or 'go to heaven', but rather to look again at 'Pope Francis"s words and what led him to say them."

      Also, the points you make were also very similarly made in the articles linked under the section 'THE MISSING LINKS – DAMAGE CONTROL'.

      God bless you.

    • The WILDVOICE
      February 7, 2015 at 5:12 PM

      Dear Janice,

      Thank you for the comment. I appreciate the care you put into your words.

      I would beg you -for the sake of your soul- to please not read Karl Keating's books: he is a PROTESTANT who offers a watered-down version of ecumenical Christianity. His website (Cath***C Answ**s.com) has been a true disgrace, especially for the youth.
      Rather, you should read THE IMITATION OF CHRIST which is a true Catholic and divinely inspired book for the true followers of Christ Jesus who are not interested in turning our religion into a trendy, hip, and up-to-date fairytale to be read at Starbucks.

      As for Jorge Mario Bergoglio, all we can say is that he has committed HERESY countless of times. Let me direct you to a great Catholic source where you can find plenty of information on 'pope' Francis:
      What You Need To Know About the Man who Claims to be the Pope

      I have nothing else to add, for we know that soon the Catholic Church will be destroyed by the one who is trying to change Jesus Christ's Holy Doctrine through these synods.
      May God Bless, Guide, and Protect you and your loved ones.
      +++

  9. denver
    February 2, 2015 at 4:00 AM

    well… if Jesus would be here on earth like 2000 years ago,,what would He say to you…"its mercy that i desire and not sacrifice".

    • The WILDVOICE
      February 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM

      Dear Denver,

      Mercy is granted to those who beg for it in full humility and spirit of self-sacrifice. Please, try to dig deeper into our Catholic Faith.
      God Bless +++

    • UNKNOWN
      February 8, 2015 at 7:30 PM

      SO YOUR SAYING THAT JESUS DEATH IN THE CROSS WAS JUST A SHOW OFF. JESUS DIED BECAUSE HE SACRIFICED HIM SELF FOR US TO SHOW US THAT HE LOVES US ALL..

  10. Frank
    February 1, 2015 at 2:35 AM

    Division and hatred, religion's milestone!!!

    • The WILDVOICE
      February 7, 2015 at 3:11 PM

      Hello Frank, and thanks for the comment.
      Here are the Words from Jesus' Holy Lips:

      ~ NOT PEACE, BUT DIVISION ~ LUKE 12:52
      "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

      UNITY is not always good. We know from the Bible.
      HATRED is NEVER good, indeed. So where is this hatred you are speaking of? If for HATRED you truly mean the GOD GIVEN FREEDOM, RIGHT AND DUTY TO DECLARE THE TRUTH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, FOR THE GLORY OF GOD AND THE GOOD OF ALL HIS CHILDREN, then we have two different concepts of the word "hatred".

      GOD BLESS +++

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