"The truth hurts, as we all know, and it provokes so much hatred in God's enemies to have even caused the very torture and crucifixion of the Only Begotten Son of God." — Paul Joseph C, The WILD VOICE
The WILD VOICE was interviewed by John Blake and quoted in the CNN article "The 'Obamification' of Pope Francis" published on September 13, 2015. Here as a matter of record we would like to present the full interview in its entirety along with Mr. Blake's final CNN piece.
Background and Full Interview
Mr. Blake contacted The WILD VOICE in August requesting an interview because he was preparing an article in advance of Pope Francis' visit to the United States and had read an essay on The WILD VOICE published on November 11, 2014 titled New World Kings – Pope Francis & President Obama.
Below is an unedited transcript of the full interview between John Blake of CNN and Paul Joseph C for The WILD VOICE:
JOHN BLAKE: How will Pope Francis prove to be a disaster to the Catholic Church like Obama has been a disappointment to the country?
PAUL: If we look at Obama's presidency, what is notable is the gradual decay of the country under a slow socialist erosion that can be hard to detect as it disassembles a system in small pieces (rather than using the force of the old Soviet Union's communist model). This is how, for example, the US has seen the cost of education and of nutrition aid drastically raise while the average household income is below what it was six years ago. The result speaks of over 6 million more Americans living in poverty today than there were at the beginning of the Obama's presidency. We could list some further facts, but the disappointment among the people is the unavoidable result of the diurnal temperature variation between the heat produced by the exciting glittering lights of his initial Pepsi-marketing campaign and the freezing cold brought by the night wind in a country where less people have a shelter, a coat and the promised (Pepsi)hope.
In a similar way, Pope Francis will take what he believes to be his own property – in this case the Catholic Church – and break it from within. The transformation process of what we believers call Faith into a global government branch reorganizing the Geo-political design of certain world regions (as in the instance of Cuba) as well as the "sacralization" of ideologies, documents or projects which mean to reduce the stature of man and of his God (in favor of the environment, for example), is only the beginning of a tyrannical political entity born out of a so-called "renewed" Catholic Church. Tragically, the hope Bergoglio exudes is not only the false light of an empty promise, but the very manifestation of a union between the elite's global agenda and God's Holy Will. This is extremely dangerous and reminescent of some our history's self-worshiping dictators and emperors of enormeous power.
In Carlo Collodi's "The Adventures of Pinocchio", the character of the Coachman (also called The Little Man) was introduced by these lines: "Picture for yourselves a little man, broader than he is tall, tender and greasy like a ball of butter, with a rosy face, a small, constantly laughing mouth and a thin, adorable voice of a cat wishing all the best to its master." This is the man who, behind the radiant smile and the cheerful mood of the ideal grandpa, is determined to transport the naive kids to their false dream: the Land of Toys, a trap for those who allowed themselves to be seduced by a utopia. Pope Francis will prove to be a disaster because the Church in Rome will be broken into pieces, leaving the faithful with an empty doctrine of pantheism at the service of the powerful elite and no longer of God through Jesus Christ.
As the Coachman would sing, “All night they sleep, but I never sleep…”
JOHN BLAKE: How are both leaders “perfect dictators” who display traits of “social communism”?
PAUL: Both Pope Francis and President Obama use the cunning exploitation of a truth for the sake of reaching a prefixed goal. They do so by using the unrighteous aspects of our society such as social injustice, inequality, poverty, sexism and racism (among others) so as to come across as some common members of the Proletariat who take the side of the weak in a staged battle against some idealized and nameless powerful capitalists on top. This may be perceived – by the average democrat and republican citizens alike – to be part of the typical political and religious structures led by the privileged with the audacious hypocrisy of those who flaunt the flag of justice and common good when they, themselves, belong to the tiny 1%. While there is some truth to this, we must also understand that such so-called hypocrisy is, in reality, its own opposite; indeed, they hide the truth in plain sight with such confidence (and without any ideological conflict whatsoever) as to be mistakenly interpreted as betrayers of their own initial (false)promises they never meant to deliver to begin with. What I am about to say may sound just as conspiratorial as the so-called conspiracy theorists' sci-fi trips, but the form of socialist communism we are about to witness carries the colors of tolerance, love and peace. In this unprecedented global regime, all will seem to be at the service of true love for one another when, in reality, we will be controlled by laws which will eventually castrate all opinions for, by default, they contradict one another. This is the intolerant tolerance of the perfect dictator who, just like Obama and Pope Francis, is able to make himself be seen as 'all-loving' even when publicly and harshly condemning those groups representing a stumbling block for his agendas.
These are the peacemakers who instill division and wars among people and, sometimes, even among nations. We saw Obama practice this strategy when, in order to grant rights to gay people, he created the "perfect enemies" in the Christians and the Libertarians by hyperbolizing the founding beliefs of these same groups – therefore inciting and promoting rage against people who are now hated and blamed for being the merely distorted perception of who they truly are.
Between the two figures, though, it is the one wearing the garments of holiness who is far more insidious and dangerous. This is because while on one hand his power boundlessly extends beyond the walls of the Vatican State, granting him global impact onto every nation on earth, on the other hand he enjoys the absolute immunity status provided by the role he plays as Christ's vicar.
JOHN BLAKE: Why is it significant that President Obama quoted Pope Francis recently during a speech on inequality?
PAUL: This is a very important point that I believe should be clarified as it reveals a situation never seen before. I would like to ask people if they can remember a President of the United States of America who, in a public speech, has made mention a Pope's discourse in an exemplary way? Well, this is a very easy answer, for President Obama is the very first to do so in a country which, not long ago, mistrusted John F. Kennedy because of his Catholic faith. The country, since then, has changed indeed, and while the media reduced the "popama" story to a rhetorical and bi-demensional scenario of an unpopular President in desperate need of associating himself with super successful star Pope Francis in order to remain strong in his mandate, the truth is that Obama's speech was meant to further elevate the status of the already-worshiped Argentinian Jesuit.
Inequality is a subject that Francis had already entered prior to the speech the US leader referred to. In a tweet, the pope wrote that "inequality is the root of social evil", stirring a rather animated controversy within the Christian sphere. This "bergoglian" form of ideological extremism is something from which we Catholics remain estranged, for it is pure propaganda in honor of a power in which politics, religions, institutions, genders, nations and efforts melt into one vertex which is to propagate an equality that will soon turn into an equally distributed slavery among the masses.
We are in the presence of a very powerful political figure the likes of which we have never witnessed before. Indeed, Pope Francis is not a legitimately elected Holy Vicar of Jesus Christ as many believe and/or accept him to be, but he is the very igniter of a new world, a world that is about to change beyond our limited comprehension. The very chapter of the US-POPE-CUBA resolution (an alleged work-in-progress between the Vatican, the US and Cuba – an event of which we were not informed until its announcement) tells us about the divination being created upon a politician dressed in sheep's clothes, whose own "papal infallibility" is being abused, whose title is granting him the highest position in the caste and at whose service there is the President of the United States.
JOHN BLAKE: Why do you think that both President Obama and Pope Francis have a “love for Islam.”
PAUL: My personal opinion on this issue goes beyond the evidence we have through the myriads of statements made by Barack Hussein Obama in favor of Islam as well as the ones pronounced by the Pope – along with his shockingly long silence in regards to the persecutions of the Christians by ISIS (it took him several months before ever mentioning and condemning such evil when he would instead constantly preach against the hypocrisy of Catholics to the Catholics attending his daily Masses).
Although the Pope is far above the American President in terms of hierarchical power, both men (and the groups behind them) are the chess players who cunningly, patiently and tactically seek to implement the instruments necessary for the great global reshaping needed for the age that is to come (and of which we are not informed). To fulfill such task they must manipulate ideologies, nations, ethnic or religious groups.
So, where is this love they hold for Islam? Their love for Islam runs in parallel with their misuse of Christianity, which truly means that their false love for Islam is nothing but a deceiving tool allowing them to use the religion of Mohamed as the executioner that will wipe out the Christians and the Jews from the face of the earth. They, the Muslims, will be doing the dirty work for the same group of people who did not hesitate to kill 500,000 Iraqis between 2003 and 2011. If they succeeded in accomplishing this plot, the elite would move on to find a way to rid themselves of those same Muslims they used to carry out and cover their evils. In fact, Francis and Obama honor an entirely different doctrine that has roots in Gnosticism and Kabbalah, but this is a whole different subject which very few can come to accept as truth.
One last fact regarding the Head of the Vatican: to see how his Islamic agenda works, we must turn to immigrants-invaded Italy and remeber that, to the overwhelmed Italians, he declared the rejection of migrants fleeing violence to be “AN ACT OF WAR”. This he angrily yelled to a country that is constantly at risk of default.
JOHN BLAKE: Is the “Francis Effect” similar to the “Obama Effect” – fawning media coverage that greeted the rise of both leaders?
PAUL: Yes. Those two "Effects" are children of the same global machine that makes all things be known, propagated, emulated and idolized. If you and I were allowed to see but a hint of what is behind this giant global mill, we would instantly fall to the ground and break into a thousand pieces as if made out of stone. Both marketing campaigns were tailored to the young hipsters that, to quote Wikipedia, generally represent "hip Americans who have a lifestyle influenced by global culture…" and who "are usually seen wearing contemporary fashion that imitates the modern urban fashion scenes in Asia and California…". The propagandistic campaigns of the two power-men remind me of a social-experiment that occurred in 2012 called "Kony 2012" and which was also marketed towards the "mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior broadly associated with indie and alternative music, a varied non-mainstream fashion sensibility (including vintage and thrift store-bought clothes), generally progressive political views, organic and vegetarianism and alternative lifestyles" (to quote Wikipedia once again).
Speaking of Kony 2012, I recall that the event exploded out of nowhere just as quickly as it disappeared like a lightning bolt in the sky. And what was behind that moving story?
I invite people to investigate…
JOHN BLAKE: I also wanted to ask if you’ve ever been accused of being too hard on the Pope of believing too much in conspiracy theories, etc.
PAUL: Please, allow me to say that there is no room for any personal 'feelings' in what we do. Based on the fact that we live in a world that has come to perceive fiction as reality and to demonize the truth in honor of some lies, I have been accused of being a "conspiracy theorist" by the same individuals who repeat what the system has brainwashed them with. Therefore, not only is this categorization meaningless by default – it comprising of the enormous range of both theories (true and/or false alike, ethical theories, theorems, philosophies, matatheories, etc.) and truths. This same categorization becomes the very wasteland where all information found outside of the few prominent corporate-media outlets is automatically dumped for its immediate dismissal and mockery.
What is interesting to note is that the same media that accuses some sources of belonging to "conspiracy theorists" will rightly preach against racial or sexual discrimination with the same passion used in their discriminating against the alternative media.
As for being hard on the "pope", it is certainly one of the many different opinions that have been expressed in regards to The Wild Voice. But, as we know, human opinion remains absolutely irrelevant when we speak of the truth, for in order to be so, the truth must be one, absolute and never relative. This is another tragic problem we are now facing under the name of relativism, a sort of beast made to devour some of the vital aspects of our society: from the basic moral concepts of right and wrong in their absolute terms to the erosion of some of the constitutional rights of American citizens in honor of new laws.
Our position is rather difficult because, by reporting the errors committed by Jorge Mario Bergoglio, we are often mistakenly defined as "hateful" by people who hypocritically attack us with true hatred. Therefore, the exposing of the issues caused by one person (the "pope") will cause thousands of people to assault us through slander, lies, hatred, threats (and death threats), profanity and insults. This is done for the sake of defending this pope's heretical malpractices and teachings.
At this point one must ask himself a simple question: if this "pope francis" was as holy and good as the countless headlines declare him to be every other day, then why are his supporters so quick in crucifying the Catholics who are defending the doctrine established by the only One we must worship and adore, our Lord Jesus Christ? If we evaluate a tree by its fruits, then where is all this so-called mercy this pontiff is speaking of? And if he is as pure and genuine as they want us to believe, then why is his army so ferocious towards us in the process of trying to disprove what we divulge? If he was to be clean, then our information would be completely dismissed in the first place. But the truth hurts, as we all know, and it provokes so much hatred in God's enemies to have even caused the very torture and crucifixion of the Only Begotten Son of God.
I would say that we are just as harsh on Jorge M. Bergoglio as a mother is harsh when warning her child not to burn himself again with the hot pan on the stove. We might come across as firm, but love is often tough when it uncovers some uncomfortable truths which not everybody is ready to deal with.
Below is the final article as published by CNN on September 13, 2015.
THE 'OBAMIFICATION' OF POPE FRANCIS by John Blake September 13, 2015
(CNN) Some pontiffs have been beatified or canonized, but Pope Francis is receiving a far more dubious honor.
He's being "Obamified."
The charismatic Pope, who arrives in the United States on September 22, has gained fans in and out of the Catholic Church for denouncing unfettered capitalism, warning about climate change and urging mercy toward divorced couples and women who have had abortions.
He's also sparked a strange trend. The same political slurs and conspiracy theories that critics have used against President Barack Obama are now being deployed against Pope Francis. One critic even says the two leaders have morphed into one sinister figure he calls "Popama."
The Obamification of Pope Francis includes charges from conservative critics that he's either a socialist, the Antichrist, an illegitimately elected leader who wants to create a "New World Order" — or all of the above. Their anxiety was captured by the headline of one online column: "Pope Francis is the Catholic Church's Obama — God help us."
Such apocalyptic warnings about Francis reflect normal anxiety over a new leader, says Greg Erlandson, publisher of Our Sunday Visitor, a Catholic organization that distributes church textbooks and religious materials.
"There's been some crazy stuff going around," Erlandson says. "You're always going to get a fringe element, on both the left and right. There's some guy in Canada claiming to be the Pope."
Yet conservative concerns over Pope Francis appear to be growing. A Gallup poll this summer showed that Pope Francis' support among American conservatives fell from 72% last year to 45% in July.
"There is a sense that he is or could be introducing significant changes in the church," Erlandson said, "and people find that very threatening."
Some of that anxiety goes beyond traditional debate over church doctrine. Here are three ways the Pope is being Obamified:
No. 1: He's a stealth socialist
Religion and money — it's hard to find a more combustible combination. Pope Francis' comments on faith and finance have ignited a theological firestorm.
He said the poor have "sacred rights" of labor, lodging and land. He called the "unfettered pursuit of money" the "dung of the devil" and accused world leaders of "cowardice" for refusing to defend the Earth from exploitation.
During a speech to grassroots organizers in Bolivia in July, he called on the poor to rise up against "new colonialism," including corporations, loan agencies, free trade treaties and austerity measures.
The Pope's critique of capitalism has caused some — including conservative radio talk host Rush Limbaugh — to suggest Francis is a Marxist, a label he denied in a 2013 interview with an Italian newspaper. "The Marxist ideology is wrong," Francis said. "But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended."
Yet some conservative critics don't believe the Pope. Like Obama, they accuse him of being a secret socialist.
Conservative radio show host Michael Savage said the Pope is a "stealth Marxist in religious garb." Fox News business show host Stuart Varney warned in June that the Pope may align with Obama to gang up on the rich.
"Will Francis and Barack reshape the world by taxing the rich, taxing fossil fuels and redistributing the wealth?" Varney asked. "That's exactly what they are trying to do."
Pope Francis' economic message is no different than his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, above, Catholic commentators say, but some critics call Francis a Marxist.
The Pope should be trusted when talking about matters of faith, some critics say, but he's outside of his depth when talking about economics.
Denise C. McAllister, a senior contributor to the Federalist, a conservative online magazine that covers politics, religion and culture, said the Pope's "social justice schemes" are immoral and similar to Obama's "socialist ideology."
McAllister wrote that Catholics have a moral responsibility to care for the poor, "but the greatest vehicle for alleviating poverty and deprivation is the very institution of free market capitalism that [the Pope] now denounces."
"He says people have a right to land, lodging and labor," McAllister told CNN. "When you're talking about giving to one, you're talking about taking from another. It's wrong and immoral for a powerful government to take property from you and give it to another group."
Yet Patrick J. Deneen, a Notre Dame professor, says Francis' statements on capitalism are no different from those of his predecessors. The Catholic Church has long been critical of unfettered capitalism. He says Pope Benedict XVI once wrote about the importance of "distributive justice and social justice for the market economy."
"Even though the church's teachings have not changed one jot under Francis, he has placed more emphasis on economic matters," says Deneen.
No 2: He's the Antichrist
In July, Jennifer LeClaire asked readers of Charisma magazine to Google the phrase "Is Pope Francis Antichrist." The query produced 425,000 hits, she noted. (That number is now 440,000.)
Pope Francis hasn't yet caught up with Obama in the Antichrist category. A Google search for "Is Obama the Antichrist" yields more than 800,000 results. But LeClaire's column reported on a growing belief among some Catholics that the Pope is a diabolical figure in papal clothing.
"Could Francis be the final Pope before Christ's return?" LeClaire asked. "Could he be the Antichrist? Is he the False Prophet? The chatter continues. … "
"Pope Francis is not a legitimately elected holy vicar of Jesus Christ as many believe, but he is the very igniter of a new world." – Paul Joseph C., editor of The Wild Voice
A recent Washington Post article noted there has "sprung up a cottage industry of books, DVDs and websites promoting Francis' dissenters."
Some of the dissent leads to conspiracy theories that would be familiar to anyone who has followed conservative reaction to Obama's presidency.
After his election in 2008, rumors circulated that Obama's victory was not legitimate because he was not actually born in the United States and there was massive voter fraud.
Similar conspiracy theories about Pope Francis' election "won't die," according to David Gibson, a reporter for the Religion News Service. The theories revolve around the belief that Francis doesn't have a legitimate claim to the papacy.
"Among them," Gibson wrote, "Benedict used incorrect Latin in his formal resignation letter, so it is invalid; alternately, they say, the cardinals in the March 2013 conclave that elected Francis violated certain procedures, so his election is null and void."
One critic who goes by the name Paul Joseph C. edits The Wild Voice, a website devoted to Catholic current events and subjects such as "the mark of the beast" and the "Illuminati." He says Obama and Francis are both cunning figures — but that the Pope is even more dangerous.
"We are in the presence of a very powerful political figure, the likes of which we have never witnessed before," he says. "Pope Francis is not a legitimately elected holy vicar of Jesus Christ as many believe, but he is the very igniter of a new world."
He writes that Francis and Obama are "perfect dictators" who are using their anti-Christian agenda to ruin America and the church. He sees such disturbing similarities between the Pope and the President that he calls Francis "Popama."
The conspiracy theories have strayed into the mainstream media. After the Pope recently spoke about the dangers of climate change, Fox News commentator Lou Dobbs warned that Francis was describing "a new world order" and "a new global organization."
Where does this talk come from?
Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig, a religious commentator who has written about Pope Francis for the New Republic, says critics use such language because the Pope and Obama have in one way uttered blasphemy — they question the sanctity and the "moral neutrality of markets."
"What all these things have in common is that they're essentially the worst possible thing the right-wing Id can come up with," she says. "You don't have to actually do anything indicative of being a socialist, communist or the Antichrist to earn these titles."
No. 3: He's on an 'Apology Tour'
After Obama was elected, critics said he apologized too much for the sins of America's past. Conservatives labeled one of the President's earliest international travel stints as "Barack Obama's Apology Tour."
Some are now making the same accusation against Pope Francis.
During his speech in Bolivia, Francis apologized for the Catholic Church's treatment of Native Americans.
"I humbly ask forgiveness, not only for the offense of the church herself," Francis said, "but also for crimes committed against the native peoples during the so-called conquest of America."
And during a visit to an Italian church last month, the Pope apologized for past persecution of Pentecostals under Italy's early 20th century fascist government.
Meetings at the Vatican between the Pope and Israeli and Palestinian leaders have led some critics to accuse Francis of having an Islamic agenda.
Meetings at the Vatican between the Pope and Israeli and Palestinian leaders have led some critics to accuse Francis of having an Islamic agenda.
The apologies irritated one critic so much that Adam Shaw, an editor for FoxNews.com, wrote the opinion piece entitled, "Pope Francis is the Catholic Church's Obama — God Help Us."
"Just like President Obama loved apologizing for America, Pope Francis likes to apologize for the Catholic Church, thinking that the church is at its best when it is passive and not offending anyone's sensibilities," Shaw wrote.
Carl Olson, editor of Catholic World Report, said he and other Catholics think Pope Francis expends too much energy apologizing for and chiding the faithful.
In a column last month entitled, "The hyperbolic and exhausting papacy of Francis," Olson wrote that the Pope obsesses over certain points such as the sin of gossip to a degree "that is frankly grating."
Olson, who describes himself as an orthodox Catholic, says the Pope seems to ignore the struggles of ordinary middle class people who work, raise families, pay the taxes and "keep society afloat while chaos and madness swirls around."
"At times it appears that the Pope will praise non-Catholics, including atheists, but then ignore how hard ordinary Catholics are striving to live the faith," Olson says.
Some have even suggested that Pope Francis' allegiance to the Catholic Church is so shaky that he has an Islamic agenda — an accusation similar to one directed at Obama.
In her Charisma article about the Pope, LeClaire dismissed rumors that Francis said the Bible and the Quran are the same.
Then she added:
"Meanwhile, Francis has warmed up to Islam like no other Pope before him. In a historic first, Francis opened the door to Muslim prayers and Quran readings at the Vatican last year. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli President Shimon Peres joined the pontiff in the Vatican gardens for a prayer meeting."
Still, the Pope and the President are different in at least one crucial way, says Earle Scarlett, a retired U.S. diplomat who writes about religion.
While arguing that Obama and Francis share a yearning for economic justice, Scarlett says Francis is freer than Obama to pursue his vision because the same checks and balances that stymie the power of the presidency don't exist in the Vatican.
"In the American government, a guy can get up and say you're a liar to the president," Scarlett says. "Can you imagine a bishop or cardinal saying that to the Pope in a meeting? I never heard of a Pope being dethroned. But I've heard of presidents being impeached."
As the Pope visits the United States, it's doubtful anyone will stand up and call him a socialist or the Antichrist.
But among Pope dissenters, the chatter will continue.